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		<title>By: Alan Aragon</title>
		<link>http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/01/29/the-bitter-truth-about-fructose-alarmism/comment-page-1/#comment-3874</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Aragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 08:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug -- Who are you and who do you work for?</description>
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		<title>By: doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 09:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan Aragon - who are and who do u work for?</description>
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		<title>By: Joris</title>
		<link>http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/01/29/the-bitter-truth-about-fructose-alarmism/comment-page-1/#comment-3868</link>
		<dc:creator>Joris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 19:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan Aragon permalink 
May 30, 2010 
Davide — Nice appeal to authority (look it up &amp; familiarize yourself with the logical fallacy). I’m going to guess you fell face-first for Lustig’s appeal to Youtube hits too? Right now now I’m quite literally going to have some coffee with sugar…and chuckle to myself about folks who have nightmares about being chased by sugar cubes.

Whats that for argument/comeback!  sugar stimilates dopamine,so it can be/is addictive. Moderation like davide was talking about is hard for people who already have an addiction/ stopped an adiction or are quickly addicted to stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan Aragon permalink<br />
May 30, 2010<br />
Davide — Nice appeal to authority (look it up &amp; familiarize yourself with the logical fallacy). I’m going to guess you fell face-first for Lustig’s appeal to Youtube hits too? Right now now I’m quite literally going to have some coffee with sugar…and chuckle to myself about folks who have nightmares about being chased by sugar cubes.</p>
<p>Whats that for argument/comeback!  sugar stimilates dopamine,so it can be/is addictive. Moderation like davide was talking about is hard for people who already have an addiction/ stopped an adiction or are quickly addicted to stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Joris</title>
		<link>http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/01/29/the-bitter-truth-about-fructose-alarmism/comment-page-1/#comment-3867</link>
		<dc:creator>Joris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok your first argument isnt really correct. The data doesnt show anything. 

If you look at the percentages you see that added fat increased. However if you just look at the calorie data youll find that sugar, fat and calorie increased. Fat however has increased a bit more. Also in the years HFCS has gone up and sucrose down. So more fructose and more total sugar calorie intake. So out of this data you cant say if its the calorie increase, fat increase or the sugar increase. Also there can be a split in the society , as one part started calorie restriction hardcore (1500 cal) the other part started eating a lot more (3000+)
You would first have to put people into groups of calorie and kind of calorie intake and then look at obesity. You cant average 2 extremes. Since the average calories could stay the same but half the people could get more obese and other half more underfed.

I havent took time yet to look at the satisfaction studies. However i can say out of my own experience that sugar doesnt satisfy me. On high sugar diet I can eat up to 4500cal (with effort!) , on a high fat diet I have to watch out i dont go under 1800cal )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok your first argument isnt really correct. The data doesnt show anything. </p>
<p>If you look at the percentages you see that added fat increased. However if you just look at the calorie data youll find that sugar, fat and calorie increased. Fat however has increased a bit more. Also in the years HFCS has gone up and sucrose down. So more fructose and more total sugar calorie intake. So out of this data you cant say if its the calorie increase, fat increase or the sugar increase. Also there can be a split in the society , as one part started calorie restriction hardcore (1500 cal) the other part started eating a lot more (3000+)<br />
You would first have to put people into groups of calorie and kind of calorie intake and then look at obesity. You cant average 2 extremes. Since the average calories could stay the same but half the people could get more obese and other half more underfed.</p>
<p>I havent took time yet to look at the satisfaction studies. However i can say out of my own experience that sugar doesnt satisfy me. On high sugar diet I can eat up to 4500cal (with effort!) , on a high fat diet I have to watch out i dont go under 1800cal )</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/01/29/the-bitter-truth-about-fructose-alarmism/comment-page-1/#comment-3828</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 20:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan,  

I was groping because it was the only evidence I had seen.  Thanks for the further links I will have a look at them and get back to you if I have more to say or ask.

Best,

Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan,  </p>
<p>I was groping because it was the only evidence I had seen.  Thanks for the further links I will have a look at them and get back to you if I have more to say or ask.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Aragon</title>
		<link>http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/01/29/the-bitter-truth-about-fructose-alarmism/comment-page-1/#comment-3827</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Aragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 17:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike -- As for fructose&#039;s effect on cholesterol, here&#039;s a study for you to ponder. The researchers imposed a 17% fructose diet on the subjects (about double what the current average intake is), and the men&#039;s TGs went up, women were unaffected, and cholesterol values were unaffected in either sex: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11063439?dopt=Abstract

But again, whether fructose is something to get all jumpy about depends on how much you habitually ingest, and in what context it&#039;s ingested.

PS - Why are you groping for ancient/archival work when there&#039;s a full bounty of more current stuff? Here, get your hands on these &amp; read them through for a more balanced look at the big picture:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19592634 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18996880

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20047139 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20086073</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike &#8212; As for fructose&#8217;s effect on cholesterol, here&#8217;s a study for you to ponder. The researchers imposed a 17% fructose diet on the subjects (about double what the current average intake is), and the men&#8217;s TGs went up, women were unaffected, and cholesterol values were unaffected in either sex: <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11063439?dopt=Abstract" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11063439?dopt=Abstract</a></p>
<p>But again, whether fructose is something to get all jumpy about depends on how much you habitually ingest, and in what context it&#8217;s ingested.</p>
<p>PS &#8211; Why are you groping for ancient/archival work when there&#8217;s a full bounty of more current stuff? Here, get your hands on these &amp; read them through for a more balanced look at the big picture:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19592634" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19592634</a> </p>
<p><a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18996880" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18996880</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20047139" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20047139</a> </p>
<p><a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20086073" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20086073</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 11:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan,

I&#039;d like to call your attention to the following comment I made recently on futurepundit:

A study was done in 1966 that has not received the attention it deserves. Winitz and Adams researching diets for astronauts created a nutrition mixture and fed it under controlled conditions to a prison population in Vacaville, CA. 

At one point the the prisoners complained that the diet was too bland. The researchers had been using glucose rather than sucrose. They changed back to sucrose to the approval of the prisoners. However their daily monitoring of the cholesterol levels of the subject population went up significanly with the sucrose. The diet was changed back to glucose and the cholesterol levels decreased. Back to sucrose and back up they went.

The difference between glucose and sucrose is FRUCTOSE. Sucrose (table sugar) is a disaccharide consisting of one molecule of glucose and one of fructose. The addition of fructose through the use of sucrose raised cholesterol.

I found this out a few years ago from an article by Linus Pauling. It is the only reference to the study I have been able to find on the web aside from the original article available from JAMA which I have not purchased.

Pauling&#039;s article is here: http://calteches.library.caltech.edu/51/2/Nutrition.htm

The Jama article is here: http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/reprint/196/6/35.pdf

Hopefully one of the commenters or someone else will be able to follow this up. I suspect it may lead to significant progress in understanding the effect of fructose on health.

BTW 4000 IU of Vitamin D/day significantly changed my cholesterol profile for the better as well as reducing my blood pressure back to where it was 10 years ago to 100-120/55-60 from 150-175/90-120 without meds. No longer taking isopril just Vitamin D.

Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan,</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to call your attention to the following comment I made recently on futurepundit:</p>
<p>A study was done in 1966 that has not received the attention it deserves. Winitz and Adams researching diets for astronauts created a nutrition mixture and fed it under controlled conditions to a prison population in Vacaville, CA. </p>
<p>At one point the the prisoners complained that the diet was too bland. The researchers had been using glucose rather than sucrose. They changed back to sucrose to the approval of the prisoners. However their daily monitoring of the cholesterol levels of the subject population went up significanly with the sucrose. The diet was changed back to glucose and the cholesterol levels decreased. Back to sucrose and back up they went.</p>
<p>The difference between glucose and sucrose is FRUCTOSE. Sucrose (table sugar) is a disaccharide consisting of one molecule of glucose and one of fructose. The addition of fructose through the use of sucrose raised cholesterol.</p>
<p>I found this out a few years ago from an article by Linus Pauling. It is the only reference to the study I have been able to find on the web aside from the original article available from JAMA which I have not purchased.</p>
<p>Pauling&#8217;s article is here: <a href="http://calteches.library.caltech.edu/51/2/Nutrition.htm" rel="nofollow">http://calteches.library.caltech.edu/51/2/Nutrition.htm</a></p>
<p>The Jama article is here: <a href="http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/reprint/196/6/35.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/reprint/196/6/35.pdf</a></p>
<p>Hopefully one of the commenters or someone else will be able to follow this up. I suspect it may lead to significant progress in understanding the effect of fructose on health.</p>
<p>BTW 4000 IU of Vitamin D/day significantly changed my cholesterol profile for the better as well as reducing my blood pressure back to where it was 10 years ago to 100-120/55-60 from 150-175/90-120 without meds. No longer taking isopril just Vitamin D.</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		<title>By: Oli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 15:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not long after I had enjoyed the good taste of agave nectar for the first time, I came across the video by Dr. Robert H Lustig. I was very surprised by the very bad comments by him, and I was also much puzzled, until I found this site. I am happy to see all the in depth discussions. I am happy not only because I do not have to throw away my bottle of the syrup -- I am lucky to have found this site where I will be better informed while enjoying watching the &quot;high class&quot; debates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not long after I had enjoyed the good taste of agave nectar for the first time, I came across the video by Dr. Robert H Lustig. I was very surprised by the very bad comments by him, and I was also much puzzled, until I found this site. I am happy to see all the in depth discussions. I am happy not only because I do not have to throw away my bottle of the syrup &#8212; I am lucky to have found this site where I will be better informed while enjoying watching the &#8220;high class&#8221; debates.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 10:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 21:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just finished this book

Lots of folks posting above would do well to read it (but won&#039;t)

http://www.rburton.com/_i_on_being_certain_i___believing_you_are_right_even_when_you_re_not_63166.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just finished this book</p>
<p>Lots of folks posting above would do well to read it (but won&#8217;t)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rburton.com/_i_on_being_certain_i___believing_you_are_right_even_when_you_re_not_63166.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.rburton.com/_i_on_being_certain_i___believing_you_are_right_even_when_you_re_not_63166.htm</a></p>
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